I spoke a little about how psilocybin played a role in my first satori in a blog post about my "epic tale". This conversation was interesting too so I thought I would share it as well.
Ever done Ayahuasca? If so, what do you make out of that experience and the things percieved under its influence?
I smoke DMT very occasionally, which is like a condensed ayahuasca trip (it's the primary psychoactive in ayahuasca).
Psychedelic experiences can be really amazing. They have potential to teach or unteach you things, be incredibly profound, clean the slate, and/or give a fresh perspective. But only in that moment. What is experienced is true and real and valid, and can even have a lasting effect, but it wont necessarily be any kind of permanent reflection of ongoing reality.
Any idea, or any experience, that is held onto or carried forth from one moment to the next, will impinge on the purity of being open to, and experiencing, the here-and-now at hand.
Ayahuasca is like direct experience of another reality. Last time I did it, it really made me question the validity of this reality. Things seen there cant possibly be a projection, because the thing that projects is dumbfounded by the experience. So I guess my real question is......... how do we know we're done for sure?
Ayahuasca shows you things about this reality that you wouldn't otherwise see. Not only that (I know I'm gonna catch hell for this) there are "beings" there (Yes I know how completely ridiculous that sounds). I've seen through the conceptual self, how can one know with any certainty that we dont have 'further,' to go? I thought liberation would clear up these questions......... it hasn't.
Well yes, I get what you're saying. It's like what Aldous Huxley describes in the Doors of Perception (which he wrote while on mescaline). If I remember correctly, he theorises that there are filters over our perception of reality that certain psychoactives can remove, making us sensitive to things happening around us that we are usually unaware of, thus bringing us closer to the reality of what's "really" going on. This was my own conclusion too. Psychedelics open up the senses, making the body the predominant experiential organ over the mind, which usually filters and distorts pure experience through categorising, judging, making assumptions, telling narratives, etc. Thus it makes sense that the body, and sense, has a more direct contact with "reality", than the mind and it's contents. The body's voice is heard far more clearly.
On a personal level, about 90% of the time I will have a subtle - to full - blown kundalini awakening when taking most psychedelics.
It IS another reality from the "usual" reality, certainly. But they're both equally as real. Whatever is currently happening, or being experienced, in this moment, is the real reality.
And since there IS no solid, permanent reality we can grab a hold of and proclaim, "THIS is the one and only definitive reality", it seems to imply there is certainly further to go, and there is no done. Done is when you die.
This is why, as I said earlier, I think it's really important not to hold on to any past experiences, thoughts of being done, or conclusive ideas about what constitutes reality, in order to remain open to the present and what IS actually going on, right now.
This is what it means to be "awake".
I'm not holding onto anything, merely pondering the experiences. I used to know so much for sure. What a relief I don't know shit.
Haha, nice. Yes.
If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that I don't know anything.
Very liberating :)
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